I will never work for you again. Sorry about that.
> I will never work for you [engineers] again. Sorry about that.
Okay, Julie, I'll bite. What's the full story?
I can understand it.
Say you do a topo for a private sector Engineer at a site that is a large lot in a recent Subdivision. All the monuments are there, everything fits within less than 0.04' so you show the boundary on the map because it's no problem.
Then you get asked to do the next topo for a private sector Engineer. To them they are all the same. This topo the boundary description is a 120 year old metes and bounds description that miscloses by 40' on the 10 acre site. Engineer calls you up after you don't show the boundary (boundary survey not in the scope and not really needed because the project is well inside the property and the same property owner owns the adjoining property closest to the project); please show the boundary, I can't without a whole bunch more work, why not you did on X project, etc etc. They just can't seem to get it.
Yeah, I'm in too. This sounds good for sure.
I haven't heard from that Engineer since.
I guess he doesn't or can't believe me.
That's fine I don't miss it; the money was nice but the rush rush get it done hurry I don't miss. I took a nap today after washing the truck; that was nice.
Well, I will not work for an Engineering firm again that has a survey department.
I have worked for two Engineering companies and two Surveying companies. The surveying companies were better for my mental health.
I would be okay working for a surveying company that had an engineer as a client.
They don't get it because they don't care to get it. And I have worked with some very reasonable engineers, for the record, but won't work directly for them again.
Making waves, Dave
> I haven't heard from that Engineer since.
Dave, he identified you as someone who was going to make his life difficult. I mean, you just draw it all up in CAD and you're done, right? They really didn't need all that "research" because they hadn't budgeted for it. No, a real pro would have figured out how to get a drawing to them so that the boundary could be figured out later ... like during construction staking.
What's the big deal, it's just trigonometry, right?
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> Well, I will not work for an Engineering firm again that has a survey department.
Now, that's a start. But tell us more.
Can't go into details, would get lawyers sicked on me.
> Can't go into details,
Good, that leaves plenty of room for creative effort to fill in the gaps.
Found the following on the net:
An engineer was crossing a road one day when a frog called out to him and said, "If you kiss me, I'll turn into a beautiful princess".
He bent over, picked up the frog and put it in his pocket.
The frog spoke up again and said, "If you kiss me and turn me back into a beautiful princess, I will stay with you for one week."
The engineer took the frog out of his pocket, smiled at it and returned it to the pocket.
The frog then cried out, "If you kiss me and turn me back into a princess, I'll stay with you and do ANYTHING you want."
Again the engineer took the frog out, smiled at it and put it back into his pocket.
Finally, the frog asked, "What is the matter? I've told you I'm a beautiful princess, that I'll stay with you for a week and do anything you want. Why won't you kiss me?"
The engineer said, "Look I'm an engineer. I don't have time for a girlfriend, but a talking frog, now that's cool."
So true!
That is a good one Sean!
If you think Engineers are bad try working for Architects
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If you think Engineers are bad try working for Architects
Boy, ain't that the truth. Have you ever added up all the inches and 1/16th's and 1/4's along the wall of a building and have it equal the total given dimension? They just don't teach anything like mathematical closure to architects. And they typically square off the boundaries of the lot then wonder why the 5' setback is 4.8' from the reality they ignored on the survey. Their standard procedure reeks of incompetence.
Favorite Engineer/ Architect stupids
1) We have a problem we need you to fix, but you need to do it on the weekend so the
client won't see it.
2) What do you mean I can't just use a plot of the old deeds to design a subdivision?
3) We have $500 in the budget for surveying 20 acres with topo- the jobs yours if
you can do it for that much. Oh, and we need you to locate the buried pvc water
line and all trees over 4-inch diameter.
4) You need to correct your survey- you show the fences encroaching on the neighbor.
5) How many square feet in an acre? (I really was asked this one by a PE!)
6) We need you to layout a building but we don't have the foundation drawn up yet.
7) Can you look over and sign off on this plat I'm doing for a shopping center?
8) We don't need a survey- we just want the corners located.
9) The deed says 5.654 acres, you show only 5.653- where's the rest of the land?
10) The project has been canceled- so we're not paying your bill.
11) We need you to locate some unexploded ordnance from WWII with your GPS on the
the old army bombing range. (MY FAVORITE!)
If you think Engineers are bad try working for Architects
Funny you should write that. Been looking at going back to school to get myself one of them there degree thingies from the local school. Seems some states think you are only smart enough to pass their tests if you have the skin of an animal with some writing on it on your wall. So, anywho, I went by the school to see what all was required. They advertise that you can get courses exempted for experience. One of the courses required for the degree I am looking at is a surveying course. At $400 +/- for the course, I figure I can save some money and some time by exempting this, heck I got two licenses so I should be exempted by experience, right? Not quite so easy. They only exempt based on the opinion of the teacher, who is getting paid by the number of students in the course. So this guy will not exempt me from surveying, I will have to take the class from him, even though I am licensed and he has no license in surveying anywhere. Oh, and the kicker, he is an architect trying to teach me the correct way to survey.
:pissed:
If you think Engineers are bad try working for Architects
You can't clep out of the class?
If he's not a PLS or RPLS I think a case could be made that you, as registered surveyor, are more qualified to teach the class than he is.
The few schools I've looked at had professionals registered in the appropriate field teaching the class (PE for engineer, PLS for surveying, etc).
I'd have my doubts about this school you're going too. :coffee:
