Robert Hill, post: 385901, member: 378 wrote: We were doing a lot of pretty rough remote woods work.
I told her that if nature called that she would have to make do. She got a little irate at me and I changed the subject but she was still annoyed with me. It turned out, she never had to use the outdoors. She was a duck hunter and spent hours on end in a blind out in marshes.
Worked with other women on crews, they don't like to be on the bottom of the totem pole. Most would move up quickly to instrument person where they were very proficient.
You have to admit it is slightly more complicated for a woman to answer the call of nature in the wilds than a man...
It is a learned skill 😉
Dave Karoly, post: 385918, member: 94 wrote: I would hire no. 1. No. 2 is a BSer too good to cut brush or dig a hole. I need someone who works for a living.
Corporate culture, Dave. The term bs had been replaced some time ago. The phrase you're looking for is thoughtfully sourced .
Dave Karoly, post: 385918, member: 94 wrote: I would hire no. 1. No. 2 is a BSer too good to cut brush or dig a hole. I need someone who works for a living.
Hmmm....you wouldn't hire him because he writes a good resume? I am in partial agreement, but you need to interview them and get a sense of their work ethic. Someone might not need to have good writing skills to be a good field hand, but I wouldn't turn down someone because they wrote a good resume. Who know, they may have even gotten some help in resume writing because they felt it was worth it to try to get a job. (And I've seen lazy people who couldn't write a resume as well).
I do try to get a feel of the person being interviewed as to the job @ hand. I try to see if they are overqualified if they think it is beneath them, I try to get a sense of whether a person is a good worker even if they don't interview as well. I'm never 100% right, but I do my damnedest to do it right. I feel sorry for anyone I turn away. I might not always be right, but right now I work with some of the best surveyors I have ever worked with.
Robert Hill, post: 385901, member: 378 wrote: We were doing a lot of pretty rough remote woods work.
I told her that if nature called that she would have to make do. She got a little irate at me and I changed the subject but she was still annoyed with me. It turned out, she never had to use the outdoors. She was a duck hunter and spent hours on end in a blind out in marshes.
Worked with other women on crews, they don't like to be on the bottom of the totem pole. Most would move up quickly to instrument person where they were very proficient.
We were a south Chicago Crew. It would have been hard to pay any ladies to put up with us. I am sure there are some out there though, who would have. When the boss is a slave driver, but you love it, but pass out from heat exhaustion occasionally. Or hop into the median, and pee in a concrete structure. Or the boss wants to drink, so he has you drive, cause you don't. I don't doubt that there are some women who could have worked us into the dirt. But, I did not know very many like that. It was harsh, and coarse. And, we did 4 jobs in 3 states in one day. We were the fastest crew on the south side of Chicago. And, we made it happen. Near killed ourselves a number of times, working steel beams, and getting grades on them. They were wobbly side to side, but solid up and down. Windy, and cold. Lake snow in winter. At O'hare, Paving in the snow. Lake Snow. Sun shining.
I have worked with a number of people. And had a number of them, quit. Not their cup of tea. I told one guy to either learn what is going on, (Office Work) or I could not use him. He wanted just the field work, and blame me if it went bad.... It was time for him to find out where all that data was going... he said "You never get to old to learn, but you do get too old to WANT to learn" . Fine by me. I don't like pushing folks. That tends to make errors. I want people who WANT to be out there.
And, I have worked on a crew with a woman. We always gave her privacy, on occasion. And, the ticks were abundant. It was not my crew, but occasionally we'd share crews. It was my dad's crew. Ticks, and I mean hundreds of them in the nether regions of a woman, made it hard. We'd all spray down. But, inevitability they would drop out of the trees, and she'd have them in her bra. And other fine places, for a tick to go.
I never had a problem with it, but she had a number of problems with it.
She's married now, to one of my friends. Such is life.
And, she likes horses, and hard work. Fine with me. I think she'd work again, if I needed her. But, I have plenty of young uns, who need a field day occasionally. This way they understand what dad does.
We never worried about it. Unless somebody LIKES it, either gender, then they should find a job they LIKE. If they like it, they will excel. That's what we are looking for.
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