Are you serious?
"Name somebody you like so I can tell you how crappy they are."
Stupidest f****ing remark I've ever seen!
Are you serious?
Sorry, Jim. I forgot the winking smiley face. Calm down now.
Are you serious?
You obviously have not seen very many stupid %#(*!&% remarks.
John Lennon
I agree. Still, I wasn't bashing. Read my first statement.
Kris
Lol! Okay. How about van halen. One of my favorite bands.
Steve
Nevermind was awesome. In utero was pretty bad.
Kris
Love 'em. Next.
Steve
Well, there's Joe Satriani, most grundge bands, some hair bands, Pink (I like this one a lot), Pat Green, most Texas Country Artists (don't like willie, waylon and the rest and they should thank GOD and every young and up and coming Texas/Red Dirt artist for reviving their career), etc.
Steve, surely you can find one in that group. 🙂
Holy Cow and Kris Morgan
I think you two are really cool and talented too. I am sorry no one recognizes you like they do these lucky semi-talented dead guys.
Steve
We have a winner. To me Joe Satriani is technically awesome with no soulfulness to his playing. My opinion is based on very little knowledge of his work as I suspect some people's opinion about The Beatles and Lennon might be based on Yellow Submarine.
Adam
It probably has something to do with not having passed at our prime, don't ya think?
Steve
Steve, while agree about his awesomeness, I think you should direct the technical part toward Herman Lee of Dragron Force.
But I'm cool with it.
Daniel
She's a lot of woman, hence the plural.
🙂
Steve
> We have a winner. To me Joe Satriani is technically awesome with no soulfulness to his playing. My opinion is based on very little knowledge of his work as I suspect some people's opinion about The Beatles and Lennon might be based on Yellow Submarine.
I couldn't agree more. I love some of his work, but he has NO soulfulness. You're spot on with the Beatles/Lennon comment too.
You and I have disagreed about Dylan, but I recognize his value as a great songwriter and influence on a lot of artists. I just don't like him as a performer. I wouldn't make asinine comments about him like others have about Lennon though.
Glen
One persons asinine is anothers opinion. I wasn't aware that there was a value to be placed on opinions.
To be fair, I love Dylan as a performer, but wouldn't lambast you for saying otherwise.
Glen
Dylan as a performer is something you either get or you don't. I understand why some people go to one of his shows and leave after two songs shaking their heads. To a fan, though, every note and phrase is memorable. As I said again recently, he's one of the few performers that I feel privileged to be able to see whether the show is conventionally good or not. Sometimes Dylan and his band are so good, I think nobody could argue that it's bad. Some nights are just for the hardcore fans.
I think the point is that The Beatles/Lennon don't grab some people, Satriani, Dylan, same thing. People hear music in different ways. Even Celine Dion deserves some respect because she's obviously got talent and people go to her shows in droves, so who am I to say she's lame?
Glen
> One persons asinine is anothers opinion. I wasn't aware that there was a value to be placed on opinions.
>
> To be fair, I love Dylan as a performer, but wouldn't lambast you for saying otherwise.
Kris,
You can have an opinion without it being valued, but I do place a value on them unless I feel that they are uninformed, and therefore asinine opinions. In the case of music, my personal approach is to read opinions of folks who I know are longtime and well known music critics, musicologists, musicians, or friends of mine whose past opinions of music seem to be spot on for the most part. I don't listen to music opinions from folks who aren't really into music, or those who have a limited palette.
Certainly there are some folks who place a value on your opinion of survey matters, right? Why would it be any different with music?
Glen
> > One persons asinine is anothers opinion. I wasn't aware that there was a value to be placed on opinions.
> >
> > To be fair, I love Dylan as a performer, but wouldn't lambast you for saying otherwise.
>
> Kris,
>
> You can have an opinion without it being valued, but I do place a value on them unless I feel that they are uninformed, and therefore asinine opinions. In the case of music, my personal approach is to read opinions of folks who I know are longtime and well known music critics, musicologists, musicians, or friends of mine whose past opinions of music seem to be spot on for the most part. I don't listen to music opinions from folks who aren't really into music, or those who have a limited palette.
>
> Certainly there are some folks who place a value on your opinion of survey matters, right? Why would it be any different with music?
You assume facts not in evidence. To assume I don't listen to a variety of music is not a good assumption. While I don't get all jazzed up about say 20's music, it's not without merit that it was liked by many people. Fast forward a few generations and those same "music critics" may not have the same value of it as the ones present at the time. That may be the rub here. I was 3 when lennon was killed.
While I grew up on a survey crew with people 15 years older than me listening to "their" music, I was MORE than exposed to other geneses of music. Factor in my fathers and grandfathers music, well I can say I can sing most songs back to the 40's that were popular. That doesn't mean that I like them.
Politics aside, I am not a fan of Lennon's work, and very little of the Beatles. This may be that I "missed that window" in the generation gap, or that it isn't pleasant to my ears, I just don't know. I will say that I didn't like most music that was played on "pop radio" while I was growing up and had a vast collection of tapes and CD's later on.
Most of the music from the 70's doesn't fit my bill either. Around 86 and through 96, the music, as far as I'm concerned, was very good. As music evolves, it matches the generation in the drivers seat of buying the music at that time.
That being said, I'm only 33, and I'm sure you are older than me, probably having graduated high school in the mid 80's. That would be the difference.
Whether or not you place value on my opinion about the musical prowess of one John Lennon is of little consequence to me. I simply responded to a "thread on a message board" about him. As far as the joke about Yoko Ono's music goes, I must give the credit to a comic I saw on the television around 1989 for that one, so obviously, I'm not the only one at the party with that mindset.
Anyway, just because I don't follow the crowd with what "musical giants" feel is relevant and the best in the west doesn't de-value my opinion, it makes me a consumer of other types of music.
If it weren't for variety, well we'd all be fairly boring then wouldn't we. But just for the record, I don't like music where their politics are at play. This is what turned me off to U2 even though the Joshua Tree is their best album and while Rage Against the Machine rocks, I don't want to hear about his problems. Pearl Jam got the same way. I still listen to the bands before they "got too big for their britches" and forgot that they are there to entertain people and not sway them to their particular politics. I buy and listen to music to be entertained, not to be fed that artists agenda. So, when you look at my music collection, it tends to emulate those feelings and pushing all of the others to the side. There is no argument that Lennon wasn't political in his music and his interviews. He should have been in British politics as opposed to music in my opinion. He would have had better luck with accomplishing his goals.
Glen
> > > One persons asinine is anothers opinion. I wasn't aware that there was a value to be placed on opinions.
> > >
> > > To be fair, I love Dylan as a performer, but wouldn't lambast you for saying otherwise.
> >
> > Kris,
> >
> > You can have an opinion without it being valued, but I do place a value on them unless I feel that they are uninformed, and therefore asinine opinions. In the case of music, my personal approach is to read opinions of folks who I know are longtime and well known music critics, musicologists, musicians, or friends of mine whose past opinions of music seem to be spot on for the most part. I don't listen to music opinions from folks who aren't really into music, or those who have a limited palette.
> >
> > Certainly there are some folks who place a value on your opinion of survey matters, right? Why would it be any different with music?
>
> You assume facts not in evidence. To assume I don't listen to a variety of music is not a good assumption. While I don't get all jazzed up about say 20's music, it's not without merit that it was liked by many people. Fast forward a few generations and those same "music critics" may not have the same value of it as the ones present at the time. That may be the rub here. I was 3 when lennon was killed.
>
> While I grew up on a survey crew with people 15 years older than me listening to "their" music, I was MORE than exposed to other geneses of music. Factor in my fathers and grandfathers music, well I can say I can sing most songs back to the 40's that were popular. That doesn't mean that I like them.
>
> Politics aside, I am not a fan of Lennon's work, and very little of the Beatles. This may be that I "missed that window" in the generation gap, or that it isn't pleasant to my ears, I just don't know. I will say that I didn't like most music that was played on "pop radio" while I was growing up and had a vast collection of tapes and CD's later on.
>
> Most of the music from the 70's doesn't fit my bill either. Around 86 and through 96, the music, as far as I'm concerned, was very good. As music evolves, it matches the generation in the drivers seat of buying the music at that time.
>
> That being said, I'm only 33, and I'm sure you are older than me, probably having graduated high school in the mid 80's. That would be the difference.
>
> Whether or not you place value on my opinion about the musical prowess of one John Lennon is of little consequence to me. I simply responded to a "thread on a message board" about him. As far as the joke about Yoko Ono's music goes, I must give the credit to a comic I saw on the television around 1989 for that one, so obviously, I'm not the only one at the party with that mindset.
>
> Anyway, just because I don't follow the crowd with what "musical giants" feel is relevant and the best in the west doesn't de-value my opinion, it makes me a consumer of other types of music.
>
> If it weren't for variety, well we'd all be fairly boring then wouldn't we. But just for the record, I don't like music where their politics are at play. This is what turned me off to U2 even though the Joshua Tree is their best album and while Rage Against the Machine rocks, I don't want to hear about his problems. Pearl Jam got the same way. I still listen to the bands before they "got too big for their britches" and forgot that they are there to entertain people and not sway them to their particular politics. I buy and listen to music to be entertained, not to be fed that artists agenda. So, when you look at my music collection, it tends to emulate those feelings and pushing all of the others to the side. There is no argument that Lennon wasn't political in his music and his interviews. He should have been in British politics as opposed to music in my opinion. He would have had better luck with accomplishing his goals.
Kris,
A few things:
1. I had to assume some things since I don't know your personal history. Based on your comments in this thread up until this point, and based on some other threads, I got the impression that you weren't too varied in your musical taste.
2. My response wasn't necessarily aimed at just you, and it certainly wasn't an attack.
3. I wasn't making a point about a "generation gap". I think certain music transcends that. Good music in most cases does.
3. I never said that if you don't follow the suggestions of the "musical giants" that somehow your opinion was inept. I was merely stating that I do give those writers/folks a chance when I am considering listening to something that I'm not familiar with, or not familiar with a certain artist' latest offering.
4. Yes, variety is the spice of life.
5. Politics with music will turn me off in a second. I don't like, but I can ignore it and take the music as it is.
