Thirty years ago today, another "Day that will live in infamy."
I will let the more adept insert some videos.
Paul in PA
I will get blasted for this, but, he was just another guy walking the planet. Just one more example of someone famous today because they died young. James Dean was supposed to be some major star, but, he didn't do much. Marilyn Monroe and Jane Mansfield are remembered more for their deaths than their works. Lou Gehrig was a fantastic ball player in his day, but, he is recognized today for his disease, not the statistics from his career.
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> Just one more example of someone famous today because they died young.
Hardly. Lennon was an enormous talent, driven to produce music by his childhood demons. His work with the Beatles was enough to ensconce him in the contemporary musical pantheon, but his post-Beatles career certainly had some shining areas as well.
No blast, just a dramatically different opinion.
Pshhaw!!
Not a blast, but I'd have to disagree. Dying young doesn't mean you haven't accomplished something, or made a mark on society.
Monroe changed a lot of things in Hollywood, and out. Hard to imaging the movie "Some Like It Hot" without her.
(Jayne Mansfield, well, a minor player, I'd have to agree.)
James Dean had some real talent, who knows where he'd have wound up.
Lou Gehrig, I've gotta say, his "iron man" streak, his batting record, I remember that as much as his tragic death.
Lennon, along with his three mates, made an indelible mark on music, changing things forever. I'd find it hard to deny that Lennon was a major mover in both music and popular culture. A dreamer, perhaps, but then, everyone has a dream about something.
I'm afraid I can't go along with that either, Mr. Cow. Of course those were all just people walking the planet like the rest of us. I don't think any of them would argue with you about that. I don't hear a lot of people nowadays talking about James Dean and Jayne Mansfield, or Lou Gehrig, except for the disease, but John Lennon and I would say Marilyn Monroe had special talent which coupled with perseverance and luck put them in a category of cultural icon that they deserve if anybody does.
Lennon didn't die all that young either. Wasn't he 40? Like Jim says, his work with the Beatles was enough but his solo work would have been an amazing career on its own. In some of his lyrics, he talked about his fear of celebrity and took several years off trying to be a non-celebrity. Then he came out with his last album and his fears came true.
Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix were all extreme talents as well and they died young but I don't think that's the reason we listen to them today. Brian Jones died at about the same age they did and he was in the Stones at the top of their fame, but although he was a big part of their sound, his work didn't stand out to the point of becoming as big of an icon. I guess you could say dying young prevented them from growing old and irrelevant but I don't think that's the reason they're famous.
The Lennon-McCartney songwriting duo was one of the most brilliant of the 20th century.
Their studio work was purely genius using 8 track early. Incredible stuff.
I use to sing our son this song every night as an infant and young toddler.
He would request it back then and expected it every night
He likes the Beatles now at 8 and likes many of their songs.
Let it Be is one of his favorites. It is nice because when I see that he is getting upset at work or play. I can just say Let It Be.
One of the reasons that we are considering picking up a keyboard for him from Santa.
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Today is also Jim Morrison's birthday. He would've been 67.
One of my side projects this winter is doing a vid for youth soccer syncing it with various music.
Besides using current stuff that kids like , I am trying to sync in some other 'oldie stuff.
One of tunes that I am using is Break on Through to the Other Side.
I thought it fits well with the energy of the kids and the game.
Plus the Brazilian beat is just a natural for soccer.
I will have to find some good clips of girls doing headers for the chorus.
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BTW.
The first time that the Doors appeared in NYC they were the opening act for Simon and Garfunkel at Forest Hills.
They got booed by the S&G fans who could not deal with The End but some really liked them.
Morrison was in full leather and he did take on a Sinatra persona strolling around with his leather jacket draped over his shoulder.
It was quite amazing. I wasn't here but knew a few folks that went. They really liked the Doors. Then Light My Fire happened and everyone liked them
> Today is also Jim Morrison's birthday. He would've been 67.
In retrospect, not the best choice for a role model when I was in high school 😉
> I will get blasted for this, but, he was just another guy walking the planet. Just one more example of someone famous today because they died young. James Dean was supposed to be some major star, but, he didn't do much. Marilyn Monroe and Jane Mansfield are remembered more for their deaths than their works. Lou Gehrig was a fantastic ball player in his day, but, he is recognized today for his disease, not the statistics from his career.
Uh huh. Jesus was what, 33, when he died? And we know John was WAYYY bigger!
RIP John Lennon
I'm a Doors fanatic and memorabilia collector. i knew that story about the Doors at Forest Hills. Apparently, Paul Simon really liked them and felt bad that they got booed by the crowd. However, they went over well every else they played in NY, like Ondine's (which is why they didn't get to play Monterey, being at the same time), MSGarden and the Felt Forum.
While he had his moments of debauchery, like every other rock star, he had an image propagated by the record company. He had an IQ of 149 as a senior in high school. Too bad folks don't realize that he was very intelligent, well read, and haven't read his poetry books.
Over the years, I had been very turned off to Morrison and the Doors, probably due to silly play list overplays by radio. It's almost as if the band only recorded four songs their entire career.
I know if it's raining when I wake up, at some point I'll be hearing "Riders on the Storm"....... 😛
However, a few months ago, I bought the box set of the Felt Forum shows......a whole different band emerges on these disks.
Lots of interesting work here....worth it especially if you long to hear their songs played with life, instead of the old "classic rock" ennui.
He was actually a film student who wandered to LA and slid into the rock scene.
The early days (60's) there were no concerts at the old Garden etc. It was just Central Park, Town Hall and the Filmore and the Mothers at the Garrick Theater.
I went to one concert (Blind Faith) at the new Garden and from that point on I decided that the arena shows were not for me.
I do remember Light My Fire getting heavy airplay during the Newark riots the summer of 1967. 😉
We all live in a yellow submarine. An edifying, eloquently composed classic. What a bunch, notice I said bunch, that seems to have been forgotten. Uno Ono seems to be the one creating, feeding and living on the image.
Don't know how to spell the name and not worth the trouble to look it up.
jud
Seems I can recall that his father was an Admiral in the Navy, but I may be wrong.
SC,
I completely understand what you are saying. That Felt Forum box set is incredible. I've had bootlegs of a lot of that stuff for years. So nice to hear it in its' pristine form. A little tidbit:
John Sebastian played harmonica on Little Red Rooster and a few others in one of those shows, and the audio wasn't very loud on the recording of his part. He went to to a studio in San Rafael (nort of San Francisco) with Ray Manzarek (who lives there now) and re-played his parts note for note to be overdubbed and replace the inaudible harmonica for that show.
