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Air quality in the GOM, 07/19/10

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 Ed
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This guy has has made several of these video flights since this leak started. In his latest he has seemed to discover some very disturbing information about what people down there are possibly breathing. His theory, and what he's basing it on, appears to be kind of hard to shoot down. You can decide for yourself. But, this could be very important.

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Posted : July 24, 2010 5:49 am
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Mastery of the obvious.

No doubt there's volatile hydrocarbons rising off of the slicks from evaporation, not to mention, whatever soot and particulates coming from when they've done burns.

Evaporation doesn't just mean it disappears. Burning doesn't just mean it disappears.

Hydrocarbons react with water in the atmosphere to create acids. But consider that this is already happening when we drive our cars or otherwise burn carbon-based fuels.

Yet more reason we need clean, renewable energy.

 
Posted : July 24, 2010 7:37 am
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> Mastery of the obvious.

> Hydrocarbons react with water in the atmosphere to create acids. But consider that this is already happening when we drive our cars or otherwise burn carbon-based fuels.
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> Yet more reason we need clean, renewable energy.

I think the point of the video is that what's going on down there is NOTHING like 'normal' air pollution and there seems to be a complete lack of scientific investigation or reporting to the public on the possible severity of the problem. IS there something going on with mixing this corexit with the already toxic enough crude oil that our so called government doesn't want the public to know?

I wish some of the people who live close by in the region would let us know what their personal feelings and experiences have been. The MSM is reporting a whole lot of nothing on the subject.

 
Posted : July 24, 2010 10:47 am
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> I think the point of the video is that what's going on down there is NOTHING like 'normal' air pollution and there seems to be a complete lack of scientific investigation or reporting to the public on the possible severity of the problem. IS there something going on with mixing this corexit with the already toxic enough crude oil that our so called government doesn't want the public to know?

I don't recall anyone from the government ever claiming things were "normal" in the Gulf. As I said, it's obvious that things would not be "normal" and thus far nothing I have seen suggests that anyone is saying things are "normal". And it seems to me that lots of scientists are indeed concerned and studying what's going on in the Gulf, at all levels of government and academia. Corexit was BP's choice, the amount of Corexit was BP's choice, and applying it at the wellhead was Corexit's choice, and it seems to me there were government scientists suggesting a.) using more well-known alternatives, b.) using far less dispersants overall, and c.) that applying it at the wellhead was unknown territory. That's what I got from watching various news events and press briefings on CNN, news articles, et cetera. Yeah, "MSM"

> I wish some of the people who live close by in the region would let us know what their personal feelings and experiences have been. The MSM is reporting a whole lot of nothing on the subject.

I'm not sure what you are reading and watching but they are reporting on it, I've read tons of articles, and have watched and heard townhall events on CNN, C-SPAN and others. They are frustrated with the pace of cleanup, they are frustrated with BP. They want all levels of government to do more, but most of all they want BP to open things up more and relinquish some of the control to LET people help.

There's not exactly a blank check from BP out there to fund all this stuff, and frankly it costs money to do the science, to do the monitoring, and most of all the cleanup. Right now, everything's going through BP, and they have been the bottleneck where it comes to cleanup.

 
Posted : July 24, 2010 11:06 am
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> Right now, everything's going through BP.

LOL! Yeah, it seems that BP answers to no one besides it's share holders. Maybe that's the problem. Dang, sure glad the government doesn't have even less oversight with our environment. Wonder why instead of not allowing them to use the corexit they ended up only 'advising' them that there were safer alternatives? Wonder why corexit is banned by the U.K.? Hmmmmmmm...

Oh, never mind, I just saw that quote above again.

 
Posted : July 24, 2010 11:22 am
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Well, those questions are coming up in Congress.

Will they give executive agencies more authority to step in to deal with things like BP's use of Corexit, will they give executive agencies more authority to step in and deal with companies like BP, if they are not doing an adequate job of cleanup, if they are not being transparent in terms of what's contaminating our water, air and ecosystems, or instead, will idiotic, shortsighted partisan rhetoric instead enable the Tea Party types sweep into Congress in November and even further restrict and dismantle any such "big gubmint" oversight and just let business trample us and destroy fishing and other industries.

 
Posted : July 24, 2010 5:33 pm
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From your keyboard to God's ears.

One of the first things they taught us in IC training was every decision you make in seconds will be dissected by bureaucrats and reporters at leisure for weeks. Experience has taught us even the best decisions can be spun to appear to be mistakes.

In real world application, a H/S tech is to take PID air samples prior to beginning work and throughout the work task to determine air quality. Sometimes you begin the day with a paper filter, then switch to respirators if the air quality degrades. Having worked with petrochemicals in the past, I fervently hope that is being done every day and documented against future health claims.

Another real world experience is when it absolutely has to be done on time, budget, and with quality assurance, government agencies outsource. By it's very nature, bureaucracies are incapable of doing anything under the same requirements of private business.

 
Posted : July 25, 2010 4:45 am