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Trimble access on screen keyboard
Posted by 350RocketMike on March 27, 2022 at 1:18 pmI imagine most guys on here are using a data collector with keyboard, but hopefully someone will know…I’m attempting to try out access on my Panasonic fz-m1 and everything is working as expected so far except I can’t activate the on screen keyboard.
The first picture shows the settings where it is apparently supposed to be available, but it’s not there on either the Panasonic or the tsc5.
Thanks for any suggestions.
Mike
350RocketMike replied 2 years, 5 months ago 4 Members · 15 Replies -
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That first screen is just the language selection in Access. To turn on the keypad functionality on the TSC5 you will have to back out of Access and go into the controller settings:
The bottom line is that the keypad is not controlled by Access but by the controller firmware, no matter what controller you are using, so the Panasonic will likely require the same thing. I do know that the TSC5 keypad is off by default.
“…people will come to love their oppression, to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think.” -Neil Postman -
This is what I found in Google search, so Trimble must have removed it? The tablet is windows 10 so not like android which wouldn’t be a problem to activate the keyboard, but it’s not required on it as has the physical keyboard.
I’ve turned on the one hot key on the Panasonic to activate the keyboard but it’s a clunky solution and doesn’t work in all areas of access.
Other than the keyboard issue access runs way nicer on the Panasonic than the tsc5. There are still some very annoying glitches with the tsc5 and since I’m still trying to learn the software it makes it extra hard.
There is another crew that could use my tsc5 to replace a tsc3, and they do mainly all legal surveying so the huge subdivisions with 5000 points won’t be a problem for it.
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Posted by: @350rocketmike
Other than the keyboard issue access runs way nicer on the Panasonic than the tsc5. There are still some very annoying glitches with the tsc5 and since I’m still trying to learn the software it makes it extra hard.
Yeah I advised the higher-ups at my firm to avoid the TSC5 for a while until the bugs were all worked out. That’s what happens when you take a complex program and totally rewrite it for a different OS…I got overruled and now I spent a good chunk of time troubleshooting TSC5 problems.
I would take the Panasonic or the TSC7 over the 5 any day. Bigger screens, and I do like the physical keypad of the 7. Windows, for all it gets mocked, plays well with Access and is pretty darn reliable.
“…people will come to love their oppression, to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think.” -Neil Postman -
I’ve had the best luck with this Panasonic tablet over the past 2 years. I did likely avoid some issues by installing an update blocker and a debloat script, but this thing is a tank.
It’s also way lighter on the pole than even the tsc5. The only time I wish for a keyboard is when it’s raining or snowing, but it does still function in rain mode, you just have to take off your gloves and use fingers.
Does your TSC5 touch screen freeze for multiple seconds at a time especially in menu tabs?
Edit: BTW just found out the tsc5 stylus works on the toughpad. The original was lost two years ago.
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Try switching off, or on the tablet mode before starting Access. If the Taskbar is vizible when Access is running you should be able to see the keyboard icon on it. I remember when I played with a demo version of SurvPC a couple of years back on my FZ-M1, Carlson keyboard wasn’t always popping up when needed, so I had to use the windows keyboard, I just can’t remember if the tablet mode was on or off.
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Well the Trimble keyboard is working 100% so far after finding the hidden mode attached above. The problem with the windows keyboard is it’s really difficult to access it on the go, especially when I have to set it to auto hide the taskbar because it partially blocks the bottom buttons in access. I set the only hot key on the Panasonic to open the keyboard but you can’t see the button when it’s mounted in the bracket on the pole, and it would probably wear out after a few months use that way. Also not the most efficient.
The Trimble keyboard pops up literally the instant you click the text box just the way it did in magnet field when I used that in the past.
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How do you connect the FZ-M1 to the S5? Do you use the internal long-range Bluetooth, or do you need a 2.4GHz Trimble radio on the pole? I have just seen someone using this setup with the pole radio as a bridge between the tablet and the instrument.
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I’m not using it yet at all, it will need the TDL2.4 radio to get enough range. I just installed the trial software to see how well it would work before talking to the boss about going this route. It worked fine in my basement though.
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I’m just thinking of the total value and weight of the devices you’ll have to mount on the pole. MT1000, Data Collector and the radio each with its own battery, that’s probably $13k-$14k CAD and maybe 6-8lbs of weight plus the pole and bypod. I currently use an old but very straight Sokkia aluminum pole with an aluminum bypod, leica prism and an Archer2 data collector and all this package weights quite a bit. I found that using a lighter pole and bypod (carbon fibre) makes the whole assembly pretty unstable when left unattended on a windy day. I have to put my pole away when marking something on wood or ground, and I usually don’t look at the pole much, but keep my eyes on the mark so I don’t lose it. A few times the whole thing went down because of the way I set it on the ground or because of a gust of wind, and every time I had to check the pole boubble afterwards to make sure nothing bent, or moved and that took time. I wonder how the MT1000 would fare a drop from 5′.
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I get anxiety using the mt1000 because even a light drop could mess up it’s accuracy. So far I don’t notice a huge difference using it vs the Leica 360 but the s5 itself isn’t as tight between faces as the Leica, which coincidentally just popped up today warning me 6 months since the last collimation etc adjustments. It never goes out.
My last pole was fiberglass, nice and light but it started to crack so now it’s a backup for rough jobs. The new pole is heavier but like you say more stable. Everything I add to the pole is what makes it manageable or not for carrying around with a sledgehammer, bars, stakes, metal detector, shovel.
I think I will maybe put the radio in my vest instead of the pole. I can manage more weight in the best.
I had a random wind gust blow the pole over once cracking my Sokkia 360 prism. I won’t walk away from the pole with the mt1000 unless it’s jammed into some solid mud or something with no chance of going down. I treat it like a newborn baby.
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Problem is, I have to hold the pole in place sometimes just to keep it plum as the bipod has some slop in it. And I’m worried about letting it go. I can fit the fz-m1 in my front vest pocket when needed.
The tsc5 collector case actually would work well as a carrying case also if the other crew gets it and doesn’t want the case.
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Posted by: @ramses
I wonder how the MT1000 would fare a drop from 5′.
Depends on where it actually lands. I’ve seen them fall over on the pole and just get some scratches. Others busted up badly. The critical parts are those diodes, which can give mixed results even when it’s not apparent they are out of alignment. The prism itself seems to be better protected. I wouldn’t want to drop any prism from any height, the MT just has extra stuff to break.
Of course, running in semi-active mode minimizes or outright eliminates diode issues. During my 4+ years straight running the MT1000 I think I took it out of semi-active mode maybe a half-dozen times. Never dropped it either, but I’m pretty paranoid about stuff like that.
And at the risk of getting flamed, even if some diodes get messed up it’s still possible to utilize the “good” side of the prism until you can get it in for service or replacement.
Very well explained on this site: Check your Trimble MT1000 MutiTrack prism
“…people will come to love their oppression, to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think.” -Neil Postman -
I think I will probably have a heart attack if I ever drop the mt1000.
Speaking of which..do you find it takes a long long time to shoot in semi active mode? It’s set to the minimum “2 observations” which I don’t know how it compares to IR standard or IR FAST on the Leica, but the slowest mode on the Leica (standard) is about 2 seconds to shoot which is faster than the Trimble at 2 observations. Turning off semi active or using a standard prism seemed to speed it up a bit, but still slow compared to the Leica.
I don’t trust tracking shots for important stuff.
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