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have a question about this
Posted by Tom wuesthoff on March 7, 2021 at 11:11 pmI have a question regarding these numbers on my survey map. im trying to find the iron pipe in my front yard as this survey was done in 1979. I will attach a picture. it says found iron pipe and then in a box says N 0.09, E 0.29. are these coordinates from the pipe . there’s a drawing of something that looks like a pipe from where I remember the pipe being. hope I wasn’t confusing. Thanks tom
tickmagnet replied 3 years, 6 months ago 6 Members · 10 Replies -
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Those numbers could possibly indicate, depending on the local custom, that the pipe was found North 0.09 feet and East 0.29 feet from the mathematically calculated position.
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Thanks Tim !. this is a stupid question so is that like north 9 feet and east 29 feet or north 0.09 of 1 foot for example. there was an old pipe there in the ground about 31 feet from where they have there mark along time ago, I remember seeing it but this was probably 25 years ago. I will have to dig down there when the ground isn’t frozen. I appreciate you taking your time to answer, tom
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Definitely small fractions of a foot. The pipes or other monuments would ordinarily control over a small difference in measurement, unless there was evidence the monument had been moved.
I like the other common way of expressing these differences, which would give the lengths of the lines as 100.0 record, 99.93 measured. It is good to show how well the monuments fit or don’t fit, but the way done in your case is confusing.
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Like Bill said below. 0.09 of 1 foot North (~1-1/8 inches) & 0.29 of 1 feet East (~ 3-5/8 inches.) Typically those numbers are shown to tell another surveyor something to the effect of:
“I searched for this iron pipe and found it. I accept this pipe as the corner, but it was just under 4 inches east and just over an inch north of where I expected it to be based on my mathematical calculations.” -
Posted by: @tim-v-pls
“I searched for this iron pipe and found it. I accept this pipe as the corner, but it was just under 4 inches east and just over an inch north of where I expected it to be based on my mathematical calculations.”
Must be a regional thing. Around here it means “I established the corner at the location shown, but I found a pipe 0.09’N & 0.29′ east of the corner.”
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Hmm… as I ponder that, I guess I’ve seen it both ways.
My response might indicate my bias to holding found monuments.
And, thinking about it a little more, I think your interpretation is more common.
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If it was the intention to say the corner was not at the pipe, wouldn’t the drawing be expected to show the pipe off the lines? And there is no “set new monument” notation, which seems to say the pipe was accepred.
I hope this doesn’t turn into a multi-page thread about how it should be done, that confuses the owner.
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You have uncovered a somewhat common shortcut. The surveyor was very unclear. He was forgetting (or ignoring) who his survey is really supposed to serve: The Land Owner, and future owners. I apologize for my brethren.
In my experience those would be offsets from the “found iron pipe” to the property lines like Jim Frame said.
He may have decided that the theory of “holding the monument” does not apply in this case… not every object stuck in the ground is intended to be related to property lines… the “goat stake” … or he could be arrogant enough to be saying “I measure better”*If you can find the surveyor that prepared that map you should ask Him what he had in mind.
OR is you can’t, find a Local Surveyor to explain what the common methods are for making notes like this in your area.
I am betting it is like Jim Frame said…***that description “found iron pipe” is crummy. Maybe he found a 1/2″ pipe and you are finding a different 2″ pipe!
BTW: typically surveyors say 1/2″ intending as measured like a plumber or the hardware store = inside diameter. BUT some measure the outside (1/2″ pipe is actually 3/4″ on the outside) -
thank you everyone for answering . there is a drawing of what looks like a pipe on this map you can kinda see it in the drawing it looks like a wish bone or something lol its about 30 feet from this surveyors point. there was a pipe there when I was a kid. I remember seeing it exposed out of the ground when I was a kid I just never knew what it was. maybe it was an old gas pipe or water pipe.
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Curtis Brown Page 361
ƒ??ƒ??ƒ??ƒ??Uncalled-for Monuments and Boundary Improvements
One of the more serious problems retracing surveyors encounter is what weight to give
to ƒ??Topsy” corners. This term was coined to represent the character “Little Topsy” in
Uncle Tom’s Cabin. When asked where she came from, Topsy’s response was “I don’t
know. I guess I just growed.” Uncalled for monuments that are supposed to identify
corners just seem to appear. Yet many people want to give them the same authority and
dignity as if they resulted from a survey and a description. Usually, no one knows who
set them or where they came from, nor when they appeared. These found uncalled-for
monuments should be approached with suspicion and control nothing.
A found monument that cannot be related to a title document should be given
Little or no credenceƒ??ƒ??ƒ??ƒ??ƒ??ƒ??ƒ??..
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