Am I the only one who thinks this is wrong?
Quote from holy-cow on October 16, 2024, 4:31 pmI am finding too many examples of the labels for each line of a boundary survey being North (something) East or North (something) West no matter what the words in the description say about those lines. For example: The first call after reaching the POB says to go "South (something) East, 504.00 feet". But the label for that line on the drawing reads "North (something) West, 504.00 feet".
Granted, there are cases where a certain line is common to two adjoining tracts that are being described with one having a southerly bearing and the other described as having a northerly bearing for the same boundary line. Sometimes, the drawing is so busy that getting that line labeled once is difficult. But, I'm referring to a line that is only used one time.
Too many clients barely comprehend why bearings are needed in the first place. Why add to the confusion by trying to explain why the words in the description don't agree with the line labels on the drawing?
I am finding too many examples of the labels for each line of a boundary survey being North (something) East or North (something) West no matter what the words in the description say about those lines. For example: The first call after reaching the POB says to go "South (something) East, 504.00 feet". But the label for that line on the drawing reads "North (something) West, 504.00 feet".
Granted, there are cases where a certain line is common to two adjoining tracts that are being described with one having a southerly bearing and the other described as having a northerly bearing for the same boundary line. Sometimes, the drawing is so busy that getting that line labeled once is difficult. But, I'm referring to a line that is only used one time.
Too many clients barely comprehend why bearings are needed in the first place. Why add to the confusion by trying to explain why the words in the description don't agree with the line labels on the drawing?
Quote from MightyMoe on October 16, 2024, 5:10 pmWe've gone back and forth over this for years. I don't care about it at all, on the other hand I make the labels go the direction of the legal. But it's a very minor issue. Some surveyors are of the opinion that it's cannon, others are meh!
We've gone back and forth over this for years. I don't care about it at all, on the other hand I make the labels go the direction of the legal. But it's a very minor issue. Some surveyors are of the opinion that it's cannon, others are meh!
Quote from thebionicman on October 16, 2024, 7:08 pmI prefer to label the lines in the direction of the survey where they were established. That isn't likely to match the description on every line...
I prefer to label the lines in the direction of the survey where they were established. That isn't likely to match the description on every line...
Quote from sreeserinpa on October 17, 2024, 6:04 amI was taught that labels read in the direction of the line, lines run clockwise. If that means the text is upside down so be it.
36 years later I insist my staff prepare plans in this manner.
I was taught that labels read in the direction of the line, lines run clockwise. If that means the text is upside down so be it.
36 years later I insist my staff prepare plans in this manner.
Quote from richard-germiller on October 17, 2024, 7:05 amI really don't care if the direction matches deed directions, I think most of us try to, but what really bugs me is when they are not continuous
I really don't care if the direction matches deed directions, I think most of us try to, but what really bugs me is when they are not continuous
Quote from BStrand on October 17, 2024, 7:05 amI'm pretty picky about having my own stuff read clockwise, but if you're doing something like a property split survey then the common line is gonna read opposite directions depending how you look at it. If I write a description it's always going to read clockwise.
I've also kicked plats back when the subdivision boundary bearings didn't go all 1 direction. Partly because I think it's an eyesore but also because it technically causes a map check report to fail and that's an actual requirement by the city or county.
I'm pretty picky about having my own stuff read clockwise, but if you're doing something like a property split survey then the common line is gonna read opposite directions depending how you look at it. If I write a description it's always going to read clockwise.
I've also kicked plats back when the subdivision boundary bearings didn't go all 1 direction. Partly because I think it's an eyesore but also because it technically causes a map check report to fail and that's an actual requirement by the city or county.
Quote from WA-ID Surveyor on October 17, 2024, 7:46 amYes, always clockwise and continuous as much as possible.
Yes, always clockwise and continuous as much as possible.
Quote from dave-o on October 17, 2024, 11:48 amOur state regulations require describing the POB in a certain manner and proceeding clockwise. We're south azimuth, so swapping of N/S E/W doesn't come into play but Az direction does. It does bother me when I see Az 180d off, but it doesn't seem surveyors get nicked for it here.
Our state regulations require describing the POB in a certain manner and proceeding clockwise. We're south azimuth, so swapping of N/S E/W doesn't come into play but Az direction does. It does bother me when I see Az 180d off, but it doesn't seem surveyors get nicked for it here.
Quote from Bruce Small on October 17, 2024, 4:07 pmI annotate my ALTA surveys to match the deed, showing record and measured, but not because I think it is a good idea: The attorneys claim they can't "track" the boundary unless I show record. However, for an ALTA survey I know will be going to an design firm, I strip the record from the drawing before I send it to them. Why? Because I know it is 50-50 some doofus will use record instead of measured on the design plans. And, for my record of surveys (using measured only) I turn on North sensing so everything is NE or NW. I find it makes it clearer for the next guy.
I annotate my ALTA surveys to match the deed, showing record and measured, but not because I think it is a good idea: The attorneys claim they can't "track" the boundary unless I show record. However, for an ALTA survey I know will be going to an design firm, I strip the record from the drawing before I send it to them. Why? Because I know it is 50-50 some doofus will use record instead of measured on the design plans. And, for my record of surveys (using measured only) I turn on North sensing so everything is NE or NW. I find it makes it clearer for the next guy.
Quote from dmyhill on October 18, 2024, 12:30 pmYou only label everything NE or NW if you want to do it right.
then I changed places of employment...
And it is far more random at the new place, and since I really do not care, I don't make any comments on that. I can understand it either way.
If you made me choose, I suppose using the bearings in the direction of the deed would be my preference, and on a new platted subdivision all NE and NW. But that is just personal preference.
You only label everything NE or NW if you want to do it right.
then I changed places of employment...
And it is far more random at the new place, and since I really do not care, I don't make any comments on that. I can understand it either way.
If you made me choose, I suppose using the bearings in the direction of the deed would be my preference, and on a new platted subdivision all NE and NW. But that is just personal preference.