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Section 19 Question CFedS
Posted by C.Mosier on April 13, 2023 at 3:56 amHi everyone,
I am studying for the CfedS and I’m a little stumped on one of the Quiz questions.
The question asks how the North-South centerline of section 19 on the ’73 Manual specimen plat should be run.
Per section 3-121 of the 2009 Manual, my initial thought was weighted mean bearing, however, this was not correct. The other options are:
- Parallel the East line
- Parallel the West line
- North
Let me know what you think and if possible what section in the Manual to reference.
Also, I would love to talk with anyone who has recently taken the CfedS test just to get an idea of what to expect or anyone preparing for it now.
Thanks.
aliquot replied 1 year, 6 months ago 11 Members · 17 Replies -
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I’m surprised this question hasn’t received attention.
I am no expert but will guess parallel to the east line.
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Parallel with the west line and north are the same thing, thus, that leaves parallel with the east section line. The manual being used in the 1850’s required the line from S 1/4 to N 1/4 be parallel with the east section line.
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Didn’t see this, the first time around…
Shooting from the hip; I’d say a weighted mean, but that isn’t an option, so I could be wrong…
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Parallel with the west line and north are the same thing, thus, that leaves parallel with the east section line. The manual being used in the 1850’s required the line from S 1/4 to N 1/4 be parallel with the east section line.
Does everyone agree that the method in the Manual in use at the time the original survey was performed is the proper restoration method?
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Manual 1973 section 3-88 is somewhat ambiguous
In this the law presumes that the section lines
are due north and south, or east and west lines,
but usually this is not the case. Hence, in order
to carry out the spirit of the law, it will be
necessary in running the center lines through
fractional sections to adopt mean courses where
the section lines are not on due cardinal, or to
run parallel to the east, south, west, or north
boundary of the section, as conditions may require,
where there is no opposite section line.——
They usually want to work relative to lines established for the same section; for this section the west line was not run as part of this township subdivision so is not used. This can be inferred from 3-93:
A random subdivision-ofsection line is run closing the area to be surveyed,
each course parallel to the governing boundary
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For sections along the east side of a Range Line the measurements were made from the east line of the section towards the west line. Thus the north quarter corner and south quarter corner should be a perfect 40 chains from the east section line, the quarter-quarter line to the west of that should be another 20 chains and whatever is left is whatever is left, be it short or long. In this case, the center corner should be considered as being 40 chains west of the east quarter corner (parallel to the east section line).
A similar scenario plays out, but in reverse, in those cases where townships were laid out with the closing sections falling on the Range Line on the east side of township. I don’t have any of those in my area.
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The township subdivision closed upon an existing line. The underpinnings of this task (and most others in the PLSS) is to use the data surveyed when the corner was placed or platted. In this case, parallel with the East line may be correct. You need to check the notes to see if the SMC is on the center line. That isn’t common but it does happen…
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@dougie
that video was epic in the real life of oh no what do I do now….he actually reposted the whole thing g and went on to explain. yeah. don’t shoot yourself. it hurts.
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Agreed, however in the context of C.Mosier’s question at the beginning of this post and given only the multiple choice answers and the plat reference alone, (as I recall many of the CFedS exercises and questions being), the best of the given answers is: parallel with the east line. I concur with Devine Bovine’s answer and explanation above.
When subdividing an irregular section, (typical of the sections along the east side of a Range Line), the objective is/was to create as many regular aliquot portions as possible. The given example plat showing the SE1/4 as being 40 x 40 chains square and containing the regular 160 acres, and the E1/2 of the SW1/4 being 20 x 40 chains and containing 80 acres, indicates lines parallel to the east Section Line.
I agree that the notes should be examined in a ‘real world scenario’. But again I’m focusing on the context of the original question and the ‘plat only’ exercise question.
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Guess I must have woken up on the wrong side of the bed. Seems like there is more time spent discussing and testing on these theory type questions then it is worth when it comes to the number of times you may actually use it in practice. More time should be spent on questions and testing regarding retracement and dependent resurvey than original survey. None of the choices given have much to do with anything other than a line being run for the very first time. Testing to see if it was done correctly or not has led too many surveyors to believe they are the first to do it right. Incorrect location is by far the worst theory that has come along. That’s what questions like this result in.
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Not to be combative, but I’m going to agree with your self-diagnosis on this one.
Let me rephrase that:
I respectfully disagree, at least concerning the particular CFedS question above.
I think this CFedS, question is relevant and applicable. The ability to read a PLSS plat is an essential skill.
This question does concern a retracement, as it refers to an existing plat. Yes, I know it is one of the example plats, but a similar situation could very well be encountered in the field. Retracement of fractional sections is a frequent occurrence.
Albeit the old adage ‘rules are meant to be broken’, certainly thrives well in the PLSS, it is still essential to know and understand the base and basics of it. I think this question serves a purpose towards that goal.
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As I understand it, in general, the applicable version of the manual is the one that was in effect at the time of the survey. But does this rule only apply only to retracement of lines originally surveyed by the GLO, or also subdivision of such sections? In other words, if the exterior section lines were surveyed at a time when the 1855 manual was in effect, do you also subdivide the section based on that book? And if so, does that make the 2009 manual irrelevant to all activities involving sections originally surveyed before 2009?
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@allen-wrench no, every new manual updates its resurvey chapters based on boundary law developments. Using an older manual to guide a resurvey may mean using outdated law. For example, some instructions may be based on court cases that have since been overturned or superseded .
The manual in place at the time of the survey you are resurveying can be usefull to understand how the survey was (or should have been) done. In some cases this can influence how the current manual guidance is implemented.
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