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Property Line Width
Posted by Rich. on October 29, 2016 at 9:05 pm“How wide is a property line? Like 6 inches?” – Mr. Architect trying to figure out how close he is to a setback requirement.
Quite amazing.
holy-cow replied 7 years, 11 months ago 37 Members · 60 Replies -
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It depends. How wide do you want it to be? Need to know that before I give you the estimate you’re asking for.
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Most every time I’ve had to tell a client that their house will not fit on the property they tell me an inlaw or buddy drew them up and could not be wrong because they are college graduates with an architect degree.
In every case their buddy contorted the boundary to fit their drawing.
Then their buddy comes out with “a good builder can make that fit with no problems”.
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According to my old surveying buddy Homer when a client ask that very question:
“The two sizes are soooooo close together they almost overlap!” -
Mabe if they paid you more money, you could refer them to a good GIS database
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Lines are one dimensional by definition. I guess you could make a case that the width is based on the accuracies of your measurements. Even with that I would guess that the setback line would be held to center of the width.
Years ago I started on a property line adjustment of several 100 year old lots. The city rejected the owners application because the plat record 100 foot width turned out being 99.5 feet on the ground. As a point of irony, he could though go through the partition process (way more cost) and split his 2 lots into 3 with out any problem.
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Rich., post: 397466, member: 10450 wrote: “How wide is a property line? Like 6 inches?”
Explain to Mr. Architect that it’s imaginary and has no width.
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John Putnam, post: 397562, member: 1188 wrote: Lines are one dimensional by definition. I guess you could make a case that the width is based on the accuracies of your measurements. Even with that I would guess that the setback line would be held to center of the width.
Years ago I started on a property line adjustment of several 100 year old lots. The city rejected the owners application because the plat record 100 foot width turned out being 99.5 feet on the ground. As a point of irony, he could though go through the partition process (way more cost) and split his 2 lots into 3 with out any problem.
Sounds like around here.
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FL/GA PLS., post: 397571, member: 379 wrote: Explain to Mr. Architect that it’s imaginary and has no width.
Please let us all know how that went. :pHe wanted to know if it had width ‘which side we measured to’ [emoji44]
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Rich., post: 397466, member: 10450 wrote: “How wide is a property line? Like 6 inches?”
Show me an architect that will ask a question like this and I’ll show you an architect that has fouled up big time and is now grasping at straws.
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“While a presumption does exist that if a natural monument has width, then the boundary is the centerline of the monument, this presumption is rebuttable and does not replace the canon that the intent of the parties is determinative. Porter v. Bassett, 146 Idaho 399, 195 P.3d 1212 (2008).” å¤ 198.Monuments, courses, and lines, 11 C.J.S. Boundaries å¤ 198
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The width of a property line is exactly zero. Measurement of the line introduces instrumental error ellipses, but is resolved by the surveyor’s adjustments and opinion. Once resolved by a ROS, subdivision map or corner record the line has no width, the definition of a line.
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Any width other than 0 would imply a gore in my opinion…
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In Hawaii, its anywhere from 0.25′ to 1.5′ ! HRS 669-11
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Select the line and hit properties. Be sure it is in inches and not MM. Being an architect, I sure he can’t be talking about real world applications.
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I searched CJS Boundaries for the keyword width and the Idaho case was the only one that may be on point. The other 7 hits had to do with Lot widths.
Width of a boundary (technically not a line) does not seem to be discussed in the Cases we have although maybe there is a Case somewhere. The idea that it has no width is implied rather than expressly stated. In order for it to come up for Judicial discussion a Trial Court Judge would’ve made a declaration of how wide a boundary is (or it has no width) then the aggrieved litigant would’ve complained to the Appellate Court which would’ve ruled on the matter in a published opinion.
Trees that straddle the line and in some cases boundary walls are jointly owned but that does not seem to confer width. One authority commented that an owner has more rights to cut overhanging branches from the neighbor’s tree than he or she does with respect to jointly owned trees wherein both owners have to act reasonably.
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Rich., post: 397466, member: 10450 wrote: “How wide is a property line? Like 6 inches?” – Mr. Architect trying to figure out how close he is to a setback requirement.
Quite amazing.
Perhaps the architect’s question relates to the drawing or CAD file that you produced.
Historic Boundaries and Conservation Efforts -
[SARCASM]Sort of depends on the pincushions at the ends of the line![/SARCASM]
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I was asked once to determine what percentage of a tree, that straddled the line, belonged to my client. I declined.
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