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looking for nightmare legals descriptions
Rubrew replied 7 years, 11 months ago 26 Members · 33 Replies
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Not exactly a bad description, but a variation. The deed contains all the correct legalese, grantor, grantee, date, location, etc. It intends to transfer all that property as described on the attached Schedule “A” – and then you go through the entire deed provided, and go to the Clerk’s Office to check the actual deed in the book, and there is no Schedule “A.” How does this happen?
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Brian Gillooly, post: 400325, member: 12268 wrote: maps that may not be easily available to the public
A definite benefit to being in a recording state. So long as somebody doesn’t start micromanaging your submissions.
Ken Salzmann, post: 400346, member: 398 wrote: check the actual deed in the book, and there is no Schedule “A.”
but some minimal checking of plats and deeds is certainly needed.
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Gene Kooper, post: 400268, member: 9850 wrote: An old party chief told me about a description with a distance of, “two smokes while riding a slow horse”. Not sure which colonial state it was.
Years ago I ran across a deed in WV that distances were measured in “smokes while riding a horse at moderate pace.”
I was doing an ALTA for a transmission line ROW several years ago and one of the property descriptions enclosed several thousand acres then listed 29 deed pages of exceptions. I beleive there was a total of 444 exceptions many of them were listed as “unrecorded deed to xx from xx on this date”, some of the exceptions were as small as 40 Sq ft. I think when it was all said and done there was 400-500 acres left.
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Peter Lothian – MA ME, post: 400226, member: 4512 wrote: This one is not so much a nightmare, as it is bemusing. Pages 3-14 are particularly entertaining.
Peter, finally got a chance to work on this and looked at your attachment………WTF!! I guess the attorney was being paid by the number of recorded pages.
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Duane Frymire, post: 400336, member: 110 wrote: I’ve always been partial to this one:
Thanks Duane,
I think I will open my discussion time with this one, it’ll be a good informal start. It will also allow me to make the point that landowners have the right to decide their boundaries. -
“Beginning at a planted rock beside the highway, between two buckeye trees, where Brown and Lewis Cates killed each other in 1865……”
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Wish I could find the job file from 30 years ago…
“Beginning at R.Smith’s mailbox on Green road; Thence northerly along the road seventy average steps to the common man, Thence easterly seventy average steps to the common man…” until we get a four sided figure “one acre, more or less”.
I think one would be fine assuming 210’x 210′ but where to start it may be interesting.
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Bill Etzkorn, post: 400308, member: 11808 wrote: Deed Descriptions I Have Seen But Could Do Without. I think Roy Minnick
Donald Wilson, actually……..1982
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geonerd, post: 400462, member: 8268 wrote: Thanks Duane,
I think I will open my discussion time with this one, it’ll be a good informal start. It will also allow me to make the point that landowners have the right to decide their boundaries.You’re welcome. I think I saved it from someone else who posted it on this or a previous site years ago. Used it myself in a course I taught.
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This one is fairly mundane but still caused plenty of problems. It purports to describe an easement in favor of Exhibit A over that portion of Exhibit B described in Exhibit C. Trouble is that there is no Exhibit B or Exhibit C. Even after being re-recorded to add to Exhibit A.
At the time the grantor owned the property surrounding Exhibit A on two sides, the other two sides being a platted street and a slough of the Columbia River.
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Gene Kooper, post: 400268, member: 9850 wrote: Tom,
An old party chief told me about a description with a distance of, “two smokes while riding a slow horse”. Not sure which colonial state it was.
I’ve seen that discription. It was a Spanish land grant. I’m not sure which one it was. I’ll look for it.
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Hello, new here, cannot add these as links because I might be spam.
if you google the (Texas) Fort Bend County Clerk website (free to the public), try searching the following entries in the Official Public Records:Volume/Book 577, Page 26: deed for 64 acres. Owner was shocked by my survey estimate. At least the deed did politely list 23 of the save and except tracts that they knew about at the time.
Volume/Book 1784, Page 207: an “affidavit of adverse possession”. This may or may not cloud title on a tract we have worked on. The property being claimed is not definitely identified by location, description, or address.
Volume/Book 204, Page 100: A 1942 english translation of an 1824 deed from the Mexican government. Much easier to read than the original general land office notes. The real estate closing involved walking the grantee across the property with “loud and audible voices” , “pulling herbs, throwing stones, driving stakes, and doing the other necessary ceremonies”.
Clerk’s File/Instrument No. 2005027988: over the course of 4 pages, this deed is obviously for either a 19.100 acre tract, a 19.101 acre tract, a 19.103 acre tract, or a 19.201 acre tract.
By the way, my thanks to (most of) the other contributors across this forum for their time and for the thoughts and insights they have provided.
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