- I want to determine the front lot line for the depicted lot. It is in an unzoned rural area with no applicable ordinances. My copious research turns up several options including the chord connecting the lot corners on the CDS, an allocation of the radius based on the CDS arc midpoint and a tangent to the CDS, a portion of the lower radius beginning at the intersection of a line drawn parallel to the opposite side line extending from the top lot corner, etc.
anyone got experience with this type of lot? Here is the subdivision plat. Water front lot. House runs parallel to the lake. No road frontage other than 150 degrees of a never built cul-de-sac radius. No zoning. Bo building codes. No permitting. There is a HOA. Deed restrictions are in litigation. The additional structure is a detached garage.
I want to determine the front lot line for the depicted lot.
What line? It's an arc. The frontage of the lot has an arc length of 74.71'. Why is the concrete drive encroaching so much into the cul-de-sac? The rear of the house is encroaching into a utility easement.
The simplest method is to find the center point of the circle forming the cul-de-sac. With at least three found bars that is a piece of cake. Then swing a 40-radius from there which will hit the three found bars and show the curved edge of the lot.
Guess I read the OP's post incorrectly. They want to determine, as in on the ground, the location of the frontage? Holy Cow + 1, Field Dog - 1. Hopefully the three found property corners in the cul-de-sac are in the right places.
We all have experience with these types of lots, that building needs to move west asap, there isn't room to place it there. You're in the setback line, in an easement, and no doubt violating all building codes to a point you can't get any variances.
It's time to rethink what you're doing here. Hopefully this is some type of design plan, and nothing has been constructed.
@field-dog yes the frontage is the question. If the arc was 90 degrees or less it’s simple. But the arc is like 150 degrees.
as far as I can determine there are multiple definitions for FLL when on a curve. Only 2 I’ve found specific to on a cul-de-sac. None that address this specific case on the outside radius of a CDS. In absence of local ordinances, zoning or otherwise, and without any case law clarifying this I wanted to reach out to a wide audience of pros to see if anybody has input in this.
The underlying issue is that there are building lines which only appear in the deed restrictions. 5’ from side street line and 20’ from front lot lines. These did not make it onto the recorded plat. No zoning so no help there. DRs may have expired.
state board says in this case setbacks cannot be determined.
just wondering if anybody as dealt with this on a project and if not to gather input on what y’all were taught.
Like the north arrow.
I am not familiar with the acronym "CDS". Otherwise this problem is just another day at work. If you are the homeowner, and close enough is good enough, you measure 40' from the various property corner monuments to find the radius point of the cul-de-sac. Then you swing 40' from that radius point to mark points along the circumference.
I am confused by the 50' ROW for the street and the 40' radius with found pins on the radius. Looks like the CDS was not built?
So no input on the question which was the frontage.
@john-hamilton yes never built. That is why the concrete drive extends over the unbuilt road bed to the road causeway. This is not an issue. Issue us whether or not the entire 159 degree radius is a front lot line.
Can anybody here can point to the legal definition of front lot line?
@norman-oklahoma so the entire radius is the front lot line? Basis for this if so? If basis Industry “best practice” what is the legal underpinning of this?
Ouch, this building layout has issues. The easement encroachments will make it very difficult to obtain bank loans for construction and future mortgage. The road must run along a ridge line, too steep to build anywhere else?
I agree with establishing the center of the cul-de-sac and measuring an arc from there, but just use it for reference, don't use it for construction. Hire a surveyor for precise layout.
