The projection you will want to use will be the same one the design is done on, and it might very well change from job to job. In my area there are three reasonable choices available. Your area probably has a similar number.
I expect that you will eventually come to realize that the surveyor fees you have been paying has been money well spent.
The given coordinates indeed look like UTM and the northing seems to fit Goulds (assuming zone 22T), but I also find about 44 km difference between those values and a point on Lakeview Dr in Goulds.
Your upload cuts off the identification of the station. Knowing it might help us understand the situation.
I tried the Natural Resources Canada site but was not able to locate a station at either location. I'm not familiar with the Canadian network, so might not have done it right. CBN would be Canadian Base Network, similar to US FBN stations.
Is there another point you can check? It would be rare, but was there a copying error in getting those given values?
Once you get in the ballpark, there may be slight differences between version 6 and v7 coordinates and you should understand the difference before relying on the data.
I suggest you check the Association of Newfoundland Land Surveyors website for a local professional. You may find that the construction plans you are supplied have been based on work by one if these professionals.
As has been noted there are numerous coordinate systems that may be used. Checking with the surveyor that did the initial development/planning survey is always the best course.
Sorry for asking guys, I forgot everyone here was born with endless knowledge about everything. My mistake.
Let me put this in context, similar to what you asked:
My neighbor has a paved driveway.
He's a dentist.
He bought a paving machine, but can't figure out how to start it.
Does that mean he should run a paving company?
@michigan-left I'm not looking to start a surveying company. My only intent is to facilitate construction layout via use of the equipment we have available. Unlike you, I'm not afraid to take on new challenges, and in turn learn new things. Many construction companies do their own layouts, at least in my neck of the woods. And furthermore, I was not, and will never look to seek your approval.
@mercer That's all good, but you're seeking simple answers to not so simple problems. There's a lot more to it than just figuring out which buttons to push or which projection to use. For one, by just averaging your positions what you have is an autonomous position that is accurate in real time to about +/- 10'-15'. Doesn't really help you that much if you are trying to match up with a CAD design for layout. I commend you wanting to learn new things, but if you aren't interested in really getting the proper training and understanding what all is at work here, there really isn't much anyone here can do to help you. In light of that your best bet would be to get with another construction outfit and see how they do it. In this line of work, our mistakes are cast in concrete and steel, and they tend to be very expensive.
So, you're "new to surveying" and "any help would be appreciated".
Yet you denigrate the experts warning you of your impending fiasco.
These people have already made the mistakes you're probably going to make, and they're trying to warn you.
It's not the fancy equipment you have that will get the job done, it's the expertise in using it. The equipment will now let you make mistakes faster than you ever could. The recommendations for training are well advised. Not knowing even the basics is scary. Your enthusiasm will go a long way though.
Personally, I wouldn't use GNSS for paving; it's not precise enough for vertical. But, you don't have to listen to me; I've only got 60+ years experience and done zillions of paving jobs.
Sounds like the crabs are nibbling on sensitive areas. There are several very knowledge deep layman responses here that you could benefit from if you can sort through the knee jerk (but appropriate) replies. My opinion, which has a surveyors value of exactly zero, is that if you don't care so much about the edge of paving or the location of a manhole cover being a couple inches off a direct scale of the plan, you abandon datums and reference systems all together and do a localized site calibration at a 1.000000 CSF (scale factor) preferably based on points on site that an original survey established as control or, if not available, learn what setting control might entail with your system. if you're paving more than a half mile, hire a surveyor to set periodic local control or you might be in for a soul crushing dose of geodetic reality. Having equipment that compensates for the speed of light doesn't have anything to do with accuracy.
Ahhh, one of the well enjoyed benefits of not yet being licensed is that I can dole out BS without fear of reprisal. (taking the state in 4 weeks... if you pray, pray)
Unlike you, I'm not afraid to take on new challenges, and in turn learn new things.
That's a bit salty. The surveyors here have all taken on these challenges plus a whole lot more. That's how we feed ourselves. I think that you are finding out that there is more to this surveying gig than walking around with a funny stick and a can of spray paint.
For the record, I don't mind offering a few pointers. But you have asked an extremely broad question that has raised a red flag. You need serious training, not just pointers. What you are getting here is tough love. We see a guy who is about to get himself in over his head and don't want to participate.
I've been working around surveying for over 40 years, but, have no interest whatsover with anything paving related. Not my cup of tea. But, I have had to learn quite a variety of new things based on the technology we have readily available today as compared to when I started. One thing that has kept me in business is knowing what I don't know. Then, either I become proficient or I hire someone who is proficient to work for me. Spending the money has always been cheaper in the long run than becoming proficient temporarily as the one constant is change. Lots of change. I do what I do best, then hire subordinates to make money for me.
Think like this:
You are driving across town. You have a 5 yr old in her car seat, and she is smart. As you pull across an intersection, she yells, lookout dad!
You slam on your brakes. And, an 18 wheeler comes out of nowhere, and you would have been hit, if she had not yelled.
Now, how should you treat her?
Shaddup little girl. I know what I'm doing.
Or, kiss her, and tell her she really saved the day.
The opening post here, demonstrates lack of knowledge, which knowledge is critical to your endeavor.
Find someone who has genuine knowledge, and experience.
You'll thank us later.
Thanks,
N
Has this question been answered?
“Is this SurveyorConnect? or ContractorConnect, or GIS-Connect, or "I-Have-A-Paving-Company-Connect"?
For the record, I don't mind offering a few pointers. But you have asked an extremely broad question that has raised a red flag. You need serious training, not just pointers.
This is exactly what I thought upon reading the original post.
It's the equivalent of selling residential wood-burning stoves for a living, deciding to start installing commercial HVAC systems by way of buying a bunch of units, and then going on an HVAC forum and asking "how do I install these units?"
Put another way, I wouldn't buy paving equipment, and my firm wouldn't jump into paving work, without either hiring an expert to run our paving division, or paying for extensive training on the equipment. In all likelihood we'd do both.
That's why you're getting answers you don't like.
I'm not looking to start a surveying company. My only intent is to facilitate construction layout via use of the equipment we have available.
You may not be wanting to start a surveying company, but you give the impression of wanting to avoid hiring a surveyor by doing the surveying work yourself. That's all fine and dandy, but why would you expect a forum to do the legwork for you and not have to do any training or reading about the subject prior to asking questions?
I had assumed it was the Nad 83 CBN6, but I cant seem to find this system on fieldgenius.
You may have assumed right and FG may not have the system loaded.
1 Contact FG and see if they have a download.
2 Contact the providers of the coordinates and ask for the parameters of Nad 83 CBN6. Then download the FG user manual if you don't have one and create a user defined coordinate system plugging in the needed parameters.
