I wonder how much training those Plumbing and HVAC employees get in the office.
Regardless of whether they get training when there's a slowdown, I would say it's significant that they are getting training when there's plenty of work, while surveyors are not. A chunk of my HVAC and plumbing bills went to training an extra person on the crews. Can we not do the same?
I’m not suggesting we should not provide training, I am suggesting that with many firms being larger today it is unrealistic to expect to receive mentoring in the field and the office. Before we had cell phones and smart phones field crews made decisions instead of being micro managed by the office.
Before one can make decisions, one has to learn how they are made, what the results might/will be, and why one decision might be better than another. That takes training and mentorship. Micromanaging is not the result of cell phones - and I saw a lot of crap decisions that could have been prevented with a simple call to the office. Micromanaging stems from having a manager that does not trust staff to get it right. Sometimes that mistrust is justified, other times it's not.
The way to fix that is not just to train and mentor, but hire folks who are open to being trained and mentored. That last part is hard for a lot of surveyors.
I guess my question - to everyone - is this: if we should not expect mentorship, then (a) where are the new hires going to learn, (b) how would a manager NOT be expected to micromanage totally untrained and inexperienced staff, particularly when it's their stamp and liability on the line, and (c) why would anyone choose us over a trade?
All one has to do is follow one’s own survey to find out one is not repeatable on the 2 or 3 hundredth level.
And there's a difference between the perfect numbers on a plat that closes everywhere and the monuments that get set.
One thing that has upped our accuracy for set monuments is the Dewalt and the Hilti. Those tools are only partly for convenience and avoiding injury. They also help accurately set the monument compared with beating them in using hammers.
But still, we all add errors when we survey. Limiting them is the key, eliminating them is impossible.
hell I'm working on a plat from 1924 and all the distances to the 10th and all the directions are only to the minute.
I'd like to see how they handle that deal.
...they would add the zero to the end of the dimension and two zeros for seconds, then everything not perfect would be a MAJOR error in their book...
My $0.02 about expert measurers (slightly jaded opinion against those that call themselves surveyors and pull s%#t like not honoring a monument that is less than 0.50' from their calculated monument) rant for the morning is over (for now).....
to be honest, I did find a few hundredth lines, and yeah, the 01 seconds to 59 seconds for 1200' runs would never close.
they didnt close either way and field work has provided a few poorly located monuments and will require a wider area of analysis to tie down what I need to provide the big boss the confidence in the drawings and exhibits.
great to work from the range I get exposed to and educated by.
Or what are his equipment and centering standard errors. Let them dig into the equipment manuals and weighted least squares adjustment theory.
He needs to ask them what their secret is to producing completely error free measurements.
I have been off the forum board for a long time, bless me father (Wendell), but we have been looking for the answer for that 0.04 since Bob Plumb and Mark Deal started forum boards. Glad to hear it is still a mystery LoL. I remember a thread of Trimble Man's (Derral) that probably had more posts than any thread. The mystery and saga continue.
@northernsurveyor Good to see you back. Darn shame about the Shell Lake Lodge burning down.
Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.
@northernsurveyor Good to see you back. Darn shame about the Shell Lake Lodge burning down.
It is a shame, hard to look across the lake and see nothing there or activity.
Where is that 0.04'?
The freeze thaw moved it.
The tectonic plates moved.
Maybe a black bear found that rebar, and needed to scratch his / her nether regions.
A tree musta fallen on it.
There were signs that a cow in labor, snuck off, bedded down by it. She moved it via labor pains.
Are you kidding? Here we are, on this planet, flying through space at 10,000 mph, and that 0.04' is going to escalate your blood pressure?
At 10,000 mph, do you realize how many feet we move every 1/2 second? And you are worried over 0.04'?
So, it's 0.04' off? What direction?
Say, when's full moon?
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Just wait till we start chasing coordinates with the new 2022.
Just wait till we start chasing coordinates with the new 2022.
Now add lisdexia!
Just wait till we start chasing coordinates with the new 2022.
What year will it be 2022?