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Sometimes it is the little lessons
Sometimes it is the little things in life that turn out to be important. Years ago, on the other site, a surveyor in Los Angeles, first name Paul, I think, posted about finding a long missing corner under the concrete for a fence post. He had drilled down through the concrete to find the monument he thought might still be there, and I was so impressed with that tenacity, and even more so that he actually found the monument. I’ve always remembered that lesson because I would have assumed the original monument was long gone.
Yesterday I was surveying a site where two recent surveys showed a nail and disk in the concrete base of a fence post. At least 50 years ago Sid Kain had set an aluminum cap there. Sid was quirky, but he was known for setting solid monuments, and if he said he set one, you had better look because it is probably there. I got out the shovel and started digging in the dirt, then the hammer and chisel to chip away the concrete, and sure enough, there it was, over a foot deep and 0.47′ west of the nail and disk. Good job, Sid Kain.
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Golden moments are well-named.
It’s far too easy to be sloppy in the name of supposed profitability, but the serious client wants someone who will do the job correctly.
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BUT, Now that the nail and disk has been relied upon what is the real corner?
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vern, post: 353032, member: 3436 wrote: BUT, Now that the nail and disk has been relied upon what is the real corner?
Uh…what nail & disc?? Do you see a nail & disc? :pinch:
All I see is a big hole! B-)
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That would have been Paul Plutae who had a heart attack last year.
He was probably one of the most thorough surveyors I ever knew.
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Dave Lindell, post: 353076, member: 55 wrote: That would have been Paul Plutae who had a heart attack last year.
He was probably one of the most thorough surveyors I ever knew.
Now that you mention it, I haven’t heard from Paul in a while or seen him posting anywhere. Did he recover from that and is he ok?
Edit: I just now noticed that his license became delinquent last September.
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Dave Lindell, post: 353076, member: 55 wrote: That would have been Paul Plutae who had a heart attack last year.
He was probably one of the most thorough surveyors I ever knew.
Thanks Dave for the update. I wondered what had happened to Paul. I remember seeing something about him beiing banned from the site a few years ago and thought maybe that was the reason he hadn’t posted anything. We used to e-mail each other once in a while. I sent him my Generic Cadd text file that matches a Leroy template perfectly when we were on the old RPLS site and at his request would do some checks for him on a project that he wanted another opinion on before he finalized it. Is he still with us?
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vern, post: 353032, member: 3436 wrote: BUT, Now that the nail and disk has been relied upon what is the real corner?
A surveyors job is to follow in the original surveyors footsteps and that has been done. Question is how did the other surveyor set a marker that was elsewhere? The worst that happens now is that the original description still holds. Wait, that is also the best thing that could happen.
Anyone care to cite me law or court cases holding that one is required to ignore the original monument?
In PA it is wrong to remove a survey monument, an OH, GEE, I see it where it has always been, therefore no law is broken.
Paul in PA
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