Plat Opinion

[Norman_Oklahoma]

The topo part of your drawing looks nice.

I have the following comments:
1. Describe the monuments found in greater detail. Note the fact that they are called for in the deed.
2. Label the line between the found monuments whose bearings you held per deed as your “Basis of Bearings per Deed Book XX Page XX”
3. Show Lot areas to nearest square foot and hundreth of an acre.
4. I’d prefer to see the bearing and distance calls closer together and closer to the line they dimension.
5. Note bearings and distances that are held per deed calls as being so.
6. Either use the whole word “Flagstone” or make a legend that tells the user what “Flag.” represents.
7. Use some crows feet to show what the 87.18′ dimension is to.
8. There is a dimension 223.06′ and another 223.07′. Is it labelling the same thing? Can’t tell just what is being dimensioned there.
9. Some of the text is too small, especially when using lower case. It’s going to become illegible at 8 1/2 x 11 and it doesn’t have to be.
10. The abbreviation N/F isn’t familiar to me and it won’t be to your client. Spell it out or legend it.

Check out survey No. SN2015-083 here for an example.

[vern]

Norman Oklahoma, post: 349226, member: 9981 wrote: The topo part of your drawing looks nice.

Are you looking at the same drawing as I am? I see planimetrics which do indeed look nice, but I don’t see any topography.

[Norman_Oklahoma]

“Are you looking at the same drawing as I am? I see planimetrics which do indeed look nice, but I don’t see any topography.“
I thought I was being picky. I should have legended that for you.

[BajaOR]

Well that’s a cute little 5,000 sq.ft., $2M place!
Re: your map:
– it’s odd that (coming from the north) the physical roadway turns to the S.E. while the east boundary of your parcel turns SW’ly.
– what do the adjoining deeds to the north and south look like?
– where does the “owner” of Weaver Street R/W say the R/W is? Might they have useful records?
– what is the purpose of the map? (application for boundary adjustment?)
– I can’t tell what is controlling all your lines.
– I know nothing about surveying in NY….

[vern]

Rich is working in a whole different world than we are. A monument found quite likely looks more like a granite stone than a capped rebar we would see.
I had forgotten the other definition of “ledge” until I looked up his site on google street view.

[paul-d]

n/f = now or formerly. I don’t work in NY but around here those who need to know what it means, does.

Brave man to post his plan, not sure I would ever put my work up here to be (constructively) torn apart.

[Rich.]

Norman Oklahoma, post: 349226, member: 9981 wrote: ote the fact that they are called for in the dee

Norman Oklahoma, post: 349226, member: 9981 wrote: The topo part of your drawing looks nice.

I have the following comments:
1. Describe the monuments found in greater detail. Note the fact that they are called for in the deed.
2. Label the line between the found monuments whose bearings you held per deed as your “Basis of Bearings per Deed Book XX Page XX”
3. Show Lot areas to nearest square foot and hundreth of an acre.
4. I’d prefer to see the bearing and distance calls closer together and closer to the line they dimension.
5. Note bearings and distances that are held per deed calls as being so.
6. Either use the whole word “Flagstone” or make a legend that tells the user what “Flag.” represents.
7. Use some crows feet to show what the 87.18′ dimension is to.
8. There is a dimension 223.06′ and another 223.07′. Is it labelling the same thing? Can’t tell just what is being dimensioned there.
9. Some of the text is too small, especially when using lower case. It’s going to become illegible at 8 1/2 x 11 and it doesn’t have to be.
10. The abbreviation N/F isn’t familiar to me and it won’t be to your client. Spell it out or legend it.

Check out survey No. SN2015-083 here for an example.

Thanks for the response!
ill reply to some in numbered order:

1) Great idea! Will do as I really wish the deeds had described the monuments more in detail.
2) On my actual finished plat I wrote a Notes section with the basis of bearings.
3) I will change my area labels to the suggested values.

5) Yes, this is also a great idea. I think if I were to do this then it would be much easier to distinguish between the deed lines and the measured lines and make me rest a little easier having the measured line on there.

6) I can make a little legend thats no problem. I usually do not but i never thought of it that normal people might not know what Flag. means.
7) crows feet added
8) Ill check this over. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
9) This is going to be printed on a sizable sheet at a 20 Scale. Reading should be no problem.
10) Now or Formerly… will put in legend.

Thank you for the input! Will post finished Plat with your suggestions taken care of

[Rich.]

vern, post: 349227, member: 3436 wrote: Are you looking at the same drawing as I am? I see planimetrics which do indeed look nice, but I don’t see any topography.

Topography was not ordered. Thank god as this was a terrible property to have to topo.

[Rich.]

Paul D, post: 349234, member: 323 wrote: n/f = now or formerly. I don’t work in NY but around here those who need to know what it means, does.

Brave man to post his plan, not sure I would ever put my work up here to be (constructively) torn apart.

I really dont mind. Constructive criticism is just that to me, constructive.

[Rich.]

vern, post: 349232, member: 3436 wrote: Rich is working in a whole different world than we are. A monument found quite likely looks more like a granite stone than a capped rebar we would see.
I had forgotten the other definition of “ledge” until I looked up his site on google street view.

Here is a pic of the Monument. These were Concrete. but yes, many are granite.

Attached files

[vern]

Rich., post: 349238, member: 10450 wrote: Here is a pic of the Monument. These were Concrete. but yes, many are granite.

My “favorite” memory of those concrete monuments is packing one down a 2000′ cut line to set and stubbing my toe on the existing one.

[Rich.]

BajaOR, post: 349231, member: 9139 wrote: Well that’s a cute little 5,000 sq.ft., $2M place!
Re: your map:
– it’s odd that (coming from the north) the physical roadway turns to the S.E. while the east boundary of your parcel turns SW’ly.
– what do the adjoining deeds to the north and south look like?
– where does the “owner” of Weaver Street R/W say the R/W is? Might they have useful records?
– what is the purpose of the map? (application for boundary adjustment?)
– I can’t tell what is controlling all your lines.
– I know nothing about surveying in NY….

1) I have to flip my bearings. SE –> NW etc.
2) The adjoiner to the south is shown on a platted subdivision, which also shows the Monuments.
3) Yes, boundary adjustment.
4) what do you mean controlling my lines? Im going to label them as ‘per deed’
5) I know nothing about surveying in other areas of NY! Its amazing when i talk to different people in NY the different ways surveying is performed.

[Norman_Oklahoma]

OK. But I doubt that the client would know, and that is who pays he bill, right? When I put deed references on my plans, which is often, I include a book, page, and recording date reference and not just the owners name.

[JBrinkworth]

Here is another plat for comparison…along the same lines as Norman’s suggestions.

Attached files

BICKEL NW4-12-2-5 RECORDED.PDF (653.1 KB) 

[Rich.]

JBrinkworth, post: 349244, member: 6179 wrote: Here is another plat for comparison…along the same lines as Norman’s suggestions.

Wow! Impress plat. Will definitely use this for ideas while amending mine tomorrow.

[Rich.]

BajaOR, post: 349231, member: 9139 wrote: Well that’s a cute little 5,000 sq.ft., $2M place!
Re: your map:
– it’s odd that (coming from the north) the physical roadway turns to the S.E. while the east boundary of your parcel turns SW’ly.
– what do the adjoining deeds to the north and south look like?
– where does the “owner” of Weaver Street R/W say the R/W is? Might they have useful records?
– what is the purpose of the map? (application for boundary adjustment?)
– I can’t tell what is controlling all your lines.
– I know nothing about surveying in NY….

Also, about 98% of jobs we do are in platted subdivisions here with stone monuments set at roadway PCs for control. These unplatted surveys are rare and when we do one usually we only have an existing survery and surrounding surveys with house offsets to use as control. Maybe a found pin as well but nothing called for in a deed.

[Norman_Oklahoma]

Nice.

[Jp7191]

Norman Oklahoma, post: 349226, member: 9981 wrote: The topo part of your drawing looks nice.

I have the following comments:
1. Describe the monuments found in greater detail. Note the fact that they are called for in the deed.
2. Label the line between the found monuments whose bearings you held per deed as your “Basis of Bearings per Deed Book XX Page XX”
3. Show Lot areas to nearest square foot and hundreth of an acre.
4. I’d prefer to see the bearing and distance calls closer together and closer to the line they dimension.
5. Note bearings and distances that are held per deed calls as being so.
6. Either use the whole word “Flagstone” or make a legend that tells the user what “Flag.” represents.
7. Use some crows feet to show what the 87.18′ dimension is to.
8. There is a dimension 223.06′ and another 223.07′. Is it labelling the same thing? Can’t tell just what is being dimensioned there.
9. Some of the text is too small, especially when using lower case. It’s going to become illegible at 8 1/2 x 11 and it doesn’t have to be.
10. The abbreviation N/F isn’t familiar to me and it won’t be to your client. Spell it out or legend it.

Check out survey No. SN2015-083 here for an example.

On a side note. I noticed on survey 2015-083 the monuments set on the right of way of State Hwy 213 are based on “HWY c.l. surveyed as presently constructed” Is it still common survey practice in areas of Oregon to use the “current” physical road as being the legal public road with no reference to written document that legally created the road? Seems to me that public roads should be fixed in space by Legalization (ORS 368) or some other means or we as surveyors should refuse to set monuments along the right of way. This would force the private property owners to put pressure on local and state agency’s to bring the roads up to modern day standards. What says you. Jp

[MightyMoe]

Very nice survey plat!!

[cyril-turner]

Rich., post: 349219, member: 10450 wrote: Same property I was working on last week. Drawing up the plat now.

Attached is said plat and a closeup of the line in question.

I found the three Monuments as called for in deed however can find nothing else along Weaver Street as most of it is just a rough tall ledge outcropping.

Should I show the lines per the found monuments and put the bearing on the small line (55.73′) to make the closesure? I chose to do a new bearing rather than hold bearings as the distance is the exact distance called for in deed from angle point to monument found. And note deed bearing as well as I have on plat…

or

Should i just use the lines as per the description and just note the measured distance along the line with said monuments? (the 226.22′ line)

Maybe a dumb question but did you look for monuments across the street to prove up bearings along the roadway? If possible I would locate those and use the row width to prove up the East line of the property.